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Old Dec 07, 2007, 08:34 AM // 08:34   #61
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I am no lonr, I actually hae friends.
I speak to my classmates alot but I do not play around, make fun of teachers, make pranks, be spoiled or childish, nor fancy myself for hi-grades.
I am not anti-social, have actually more than 20+ friends if I try to count them all.
I don't find the reason why run nor shout about such trivialities.
And I never said they were immature, I was talking about me different from my classmates.

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And what school do you study in?

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Old Dec 07, 2007, 08:53 AM // 08:53   #62
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The sad thing about MMO's is that age doesn't equal maturity. Never has and never will. :P There are just a mitchmatch of different people. There could be a very mature, responsible and pleasent acting 14 year old in your guild and at the same time a very immature, tantrum throwing and whining 30 year old. Age really doesn't do much online.(or in irl sometimes...)

13-19 is really the age when your hormones go nuts and you "grow up". Being 17 doesn't make you older or cooler or more mature...you're still a teenager. It's just that some people have a stronger teenagehood with lots of drama, ups and downs and emotions going around and some people just don't. I had a pretty rough teenagehood myself lol.

I've noticed that pre-teens is when some more reserved kids are the most adorable and pleasent to hang around with. <3 But then they come of age and oh lawd DO they change!

I'm 22. Ok...pushing 23. ;_;

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Old Dec 07, 2007, 12:22 PM // 12:22   #63
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What are hormones for anyway?
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Old Dec 07, 2007, 12:28 PM // 12:28   #64
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Hormone effects vary widely, but can include:

* stimulation or inhibition of growth,
* In puberty hormones can effect mood and mind
* induction or suppression of apoptosis (programmed cell death)
* activation or inhibition of the immune system
* regulating metabolism
* preparation for a new activity (e.g., fighting, fleeing, mating)
* preparation for a new phase of life (e.g., puberty, caring for offspring,
menopause)
* controlling the reproductive cycle

In many cases, one hormone may regulate the production and release of other hormones. Many of the responses to hormone signals can be described as serving to regulate metabolic activity of an organ or tissue.
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Lawl

It's not just about hormones. It's the age when everything happens to you all at once. It's the truth.
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Old Dec 07, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49   #66
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I don't really know how I define maturity. My logic would be how well someone handles a situation, but usually those that handle a situation better are more intelligent. Which would mean that by my own logic, only the intelligent ones could be mature. Which of course is probably not the case. We are talking about the internet here. I think maturity are people that when they wish to flame you have a point to their argument and can hold up a discussion. Again, this links in with intelligence.

The butchering the English language. This is interesting, I know people in real life who are extremely mature but they type like idiots online, I also know people I've seen type on MSN and found them obnoxious, spoken to them on microphone and they're different. You can't possibly know if someone lives at home with their parents, or on their own from how they type. Personally I find the word 'kid' to be the biggest bastardisation of the English language that I have ever come across since we stopped using the grammatically correct words to 'put in' and used 'in put'. Not only do I think it is ridiculous we will be inputting our bread to the toaster, but we will forgetting about the word child and calling all our children baby goats. It wasn't the fourteen year old's who caused this either. This is not a dig at your post by the way, I notice you use the word kid a lot. It was a general thing.

I do not hold the view that you have to lose a leg , get beat up in school, have a rough time in life and lose your family to be 'mature'. I think if you have to go through all of that to behave mature you aren't mature at all. Maturity should be about your personality and not what forced upon you. When you are beat up, raped, lose a family, anything ridiculous like that - you are forced to become a different person. People often don't put up an emotional brick wall by choice, sometimes it happens and they simply can not help it. Hiding your emotions like this certainly isn't mature. I think that showing emotion takes more maturity. It shows you can feel comfortable.

So does that mean because I can go to work and not give a DAMN what anyone thinks about me mean I am mature? Debatable, it could just mean I'm confident. So I think that maturity can be a mixture of things, but I don't know quite what mix of things. Maybe the intelligent people have sharper tools to do the work (find it easier to be mature).

I can't quite define what being mature is, but I know what it isn't. I also know that people who claim to be mature and say 'get a life' aren't mature. This is a computer game we are talking about. So long as you are a nice person and good at that game, don't talk like a retard and interest me somehow you are perfectly mature enough to me. I don't care if you don't have a job, a girlfriend, a house, any pets.

As for the people who have had a rough life they may think they're mature by putting up their emotional fences and what not but the bottom line is. Half their behaviour is out of their control and they develop so many 'hang-ups' that they can't have an open view to things. Which again in my opinion is immature. Older people tend to form views on things, often based on ignorance by experience. It is some what of a paradox (I think you could say?). They experience something in their life (opposite to ignorance) but then they think all things of a similar nature will result in the same outcome (ignorance). Often people can't put aside this, and that makes them immature.

The men who go to the pub talking about what a great screw they had the night before. This is disrespect and immaturity.

The women whining non stop their husbands never help or that all men are arseholes because they happened to have dated ten arseholes in their life. This to me is immaturity they may not think they have attracted (or are attracted to) arseholes.

Maturity can be understanding, but that doesn't mean you should have had to have slashed your wrists to understand what a suicidal person is like. The brain is fairly logical, so you can work things out with reasoning but again, intelligence will tie in with maturity.

Maturity is probably also accepting the fact you could be wrong. So it's basically all things like:

Understanding a situation.
Being open about something (admitting you could be wrong).
Being open about yourself (showing emotion).
Being confident (learn not to care so much).
Dealing with problems.


With that in mind, no one is ever mature. You don't hit 26 and become mature. You may be more mature than others, but that doesn't mean you become this finished, glazed, priceless vase. Even if that were the case, it wouldn't matter. You'd soon go back to wetting the bed, losing brain cells and relying on your family again.



Experience can make for more ignorance, because you form views which can turn to a stubborn behaviour preventing you from further knowledge. You could say a mature person can discuss politics. Again, it may just be something people find more interesting when they grow up and again, often their views are based from experiences. As far as I'm concerned, fourteen year old's can behave maturely enough to be my friend on the internet. I wouldn't be their friend in real life probably but in real life they might act less mature. You can think more about what you are going to say on the internet I think. We think of mature as good. Is it maturity when we begin to stop hating foods and start liking them (classic example is that more children dislike sprouts). With maturity being 'good', perhaps this is actually a faculty. Who's to say that the grass wasn't greener when people liked sweeter things?

The bottom line is though, generally when someone says things like: Oh it's ok, you're just a kid. They're trying to insult you for behaving childish, yet they're the ones behaving like children.



Can be said to older people. Like the ones doing boring jobs that really don't contribute much to the world. They don't really understand how the real world works. It's all relative and if it takes someone twenty five years, a boring job and lots of labour to understand what some maturity is, they are not mature people.



The adults smart enough to pay off their mortgage probably won't be the ones wasting time talking to you. They'll be mixing with their friends or family.



Truthfully? I don't really have a big enough picture to form an opinion based on what you've said but this is what I think so far:

Loner. Low self esteem hypocrite (no offence). Firstly, you want to put yourself in a category. Someone who does that probably spends too much time judging themselves. People that spend too much time judging themselves, want to fit in. The people that shout and scream when the teacher leaves the room, want to gain attention and fit in. That makes you a hypocrite because you called them immature. Also, you'll tell someone to study for an exam or what not, but when the teacher leaves the room you'll fall asleep, keep a low profile and / or draw. Neither of which is working, just because the teacher left the room. Don't waste time thinking they're immature or try labelling yourself. They're probably happier than you . That's all what matters in life.

Please don't be offended by what I say. It's only an opinion based on what little you've said.
Great post Glad you're back.

FWIW I knew someone would reply to me like that. I am 26 I pay a mortgage, earn money, pay taxes and do all that adult stuff. But I don't get hung up about it and think those actions make me more mature than a 14 year old. I know lots of adults who as you say do jobs that just don't contribute to society and do it for 25 years. I don't think they are mature either. There are those so soaked in pessimism they think the real world has to be about them getting stuck in a dead end job and being a victim of crime etc etc. That is not maturity. I see some very mature young people like my 16 year old brother. To me maturity is about your attitude towards other people and is shown by your actions.
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Experience can make for more ignorance, because you form views which can turn to a stubborn behaviour preventing you from further knowledge. You could say a mature person can discuss politics. Again, it may just be something people find more interesting when they grow up and again, often their views are based from experiences. As far as I'm concerned, fourteen year old's can behave maturely enough to be my friend on the internet. I wouldn't be their friend in real life probably but in real life they might act less mature. You can think more about what you are going to say on the internet I think. We think of mature as good. Is it maturity when we begin to stop hating foods and start liking them (classic example is that more children dislike sprouts). With maturity being 'good', perhaps this is actually a faculty. Who's to say that the grass wasn't greener when people liked sweeter things?
So, children who are limited in society and then adults complain that children are immature? Oh what irony! However if you limit your experience, of course it can lead to stubborn views! Socrates said "In the end I know nothing", its to bad that many people today don't follow his advise and get caught in media and political propaganda and then shun other parts of society. Its funny that people put boundaries in themselves on what they want to experience and think that everyone should follow that exact path. I do think that children should be sheltered somewhat untill an age, but parents shelter children far far to much and hurt the child in the end.

You could say that a immature person can find politics interesting, but many people think a "mature" person is some type of role model which people should strive for which is wrong because maturity is something that that is gained by having the appropriate manner around the persons surroundings. Therefore, maturity is only gained by how others see him or her and him or herself feels about themselves as well. But, opening all experiences and learning about different societies and communities can only a person accumulate these experiences and execute them correctly in the best way.

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I was 14 once *sigh*

There was no internet back then. If we got caught acting the way a lot of people (no age implied here) act on the internet we would be punished. We could sometimes get away with it by making random telephone calls, but in today's world it is much easier to do on the internet. Log into a game and say whatever you want with no fear of retaliation. It is usually implied that younger people are doing this (no proof, however) and so ..... people think badly of younger people.

Anyway .... that's my theory.
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I am no lonr, I actually hae friends.
I speak to my classmates alot but I do not play around, make fun of teachers, make pranks, be spoiled or childish, nor fancy myself for hi-grades.
I am not anti-social, have actually more than 20+ friends if I try to count them all.
I don't find the reason why run nor shout about such trivialities.
And I never said they were immature, I was talking about me different from my classmates.

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What are your grades?
And what school do you study in?
Grades are all above 96 the lowest I have is a 97 in Language Arts I go to a Catholic school in Florida.
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Old Dec 07, 2007, 11:51 PM // 23:51   #70
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Kay, then.
But there is somehing bout your lessons what are you studying right now?
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your immature if you have never played a video game.
Your also immature if you say Video games suck >.>
And your immature if you don't like penguins
Forcing my opinions on you, makes me mature, it shows my Alpha Dog techniques.

This is not sarcasm.
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your immature if you have never played a video game.
Your also immature if you say Video games suck >.>
And your immature if you don't like penguins
Forcing my opinions on you, makes me mature, it shows my Alpha Dog techniques.

This is not sarcasm.
stop trying to make your steriotyped age-group look better...
you are what you have been branded, get over it.
now play the game, stop QQ'ing.
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your immature if you have never played a video game.
Your also immature if you say Video games suck >.>
And your immature if you don't like penguins
Forcing my opinions on you, makes me mature, it shows my Alpha Dog techniques.

This is not sarcasm.
It's funny how someone who complains about French all day can't even use his maternal language correctly.
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Old Dec 08, 2007, 10:15 AM // 10:15   #74
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I'm pretty positive the 14-17 age groups that play this game are far superior in numbers to the 20+ year olds. That's also one reason why someone could find younger players annoying. Because there are all kinds of different people and most of them just happen to be from the younger age group.

I don't have any statistics to back me up but this is the age group idea I get from most MMO's I've played.
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stop trying to make your steriotyped age-group look better...
you are what you have been branded, get over it.
now play the game, stop QQ'ing
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LOL, that one made me laugh. You are what we say you are, now get over it. If people are stupid enough to believe you when you say that, then they are the people who are walked over in this world. You telling me that I am not as good as you, and that I should simply get over it sounds like so many atrocities.

Aparthied - Whites are better than blacks, the blacks had better get over it.
Segragation - Whites are better than blacks, the blacks had better get over it.
The Holocaust - The Aryans are better than the Jews, the jews had better hurry up and die.

This is not to say that this attitude makes you a Nazi, or that soon there will be discrimination towards young people in the future, I am just pointing out the similarities in your thoughts.
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Wow, thank you for that amazing inisight. As you are making an assumption, allow me to make one myself.

You have no friends, and spend ~13 hours a day playing guild wars. (Less if your Irritable bowls are acting up). You are 28 years old, live with your parents and have never kissed a girl. You dream someday of finding your calling in life, but first, you need a req8 Eternal Blade. You cry yourself to sleep at nights.

This is not to say that you actually ARE any of these, or that I want to start a flame war. It is just that it is unfair to ASS U ME that due to someone's age, they are noobs.
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One thing which I consider to be very immature is stereotyping itself. In my opinion saying that, "teenages are all immature" is being immature. There are many mature teenagers out there, and also many immature "adults". In my mind, immaturity or being an adult is not truely dependant upon age. Maturity comes through experience of events which force you to adapt your way of thinking to the world, and to consider the thoughts/feelings of other people. Being an adult is not an age, it is a state of mind.
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Aparthied - Whites are better than blacks, the blacks had better get over it.
Segragation - Whites are better than blacks, the blacks had better get over it.
Im black and I thoroughly believe this idea >.>
Get over it rexdale >.>

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14 year olds are noob.
Couldn't agree more.

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You have no friends, and spend ~13 hours a day playing guild wars. (Less if your Irritable bowls are acting up). You are 28 years old, live with your parents and have never kissed a girl. You dream someday of finding your calling in life, but first, you need a req8 Eternal Blade. You cry yourself to sleep at nights.
Oh I cWut you did to him
Heres my version

Ensoriki you have no friends, and spend ~11 hours a day playing guild wars. (Less if your Irritable bowls are acting up). You are 14 years old, live with your parents and have never and will never kissed a girl. You dream someday of penguins ruling the world, but first, you need a Superior Rune of Vigor. You read yourself to sleep at nights like a nerd. Your not gay, gay's aren't that lame

This is absolutely fun.

Do I get the award for best example of why 14 year olds suck?

/wrist slash

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Hmm. It really seems this thread has become an all-out flame-fest across different stereotypes. /fail

Unfortunately, there are those that will be ignorant of how completely untrue stereotypes are--there will also be those that are flat-out jackasses *cough*cough*RhanoctJocosa*cough*cough* who seem to be negligent of the part of their brain that includes intelligence. *cough*

As I'd said earlier in the thread, stereotypes exist because a few were foolish enough to put out a bad image of one group. People jumped to the conclusion that they were all that way. Wrong.

I am fourteen, play GW, have plenty of fun doing it, and very, *very* rarely I act immaturely. Furthering that, my immaturity is out of fun, not lack of brain cells.

Also, when I get on GW, my first focus is helping those that I can. Though I can't always join someone's group, I always give what advice I can to help someone learn. I don't label someone a noob simply because they're inexperienced. Instead, I help them become experienced.

Enough of that. I really hope that enough of you can understand that some people are immature, and some are mature. Pick your battles, don't take it out on all of us. : )
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I think I'm going to hold back and not post anything more except:

1. Some of the arguments put forth are terrible.
2. Some of you need to get over yourself.
3. Honestly, who didn't think this thread would end up a flame fest?
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